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Kuris asmuo taps kitu atleistu MU treneriu?

1. Erik ten Hag
4
13%
2. Mauricio Pochettino
9
29%
3. Zinedine Zidane
2
6%
4. Steve Bruce
3
10%
5. Michael 'tęsim OGS good vibesus' Carrick
9
29%
6. Brendan Rodgers
4
13%
7. Kitas
0
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Šian 79tas sero gimtadienis :happy-cheerleadersmileyguy:

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Seni geri prisiminimai... :madridista:
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No social distance... :lol:
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Honza wrote: 31 Dec 2020, 10:25 Seni geri prisiminimai... :madridista:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-e0oRa ... nel=NexaaL
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Net širdį suspaudė. Tikro laimėtojo starter packas - akinukai, kramtoškė ir paltas su užsegamu vidumi. :madridista: :madridista: :madridista:
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Tommy wrote: 31 Dec 2020, 11:07 Tikro laimėtojo starter packas - akinukai, kramtoškė ir paltas su užsegamu vidumi. :madridista: :madridista: :madridista:
When the opposition saw this they knew it was game over before it even started
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Fletcheris jungiasi prie Olego komandos. 🧸 ir 🌞
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yodawg wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 14:45 Fletcheris jungiasi prie Olego komandos. 🧸 ir 🌞
Na bent jau DoF'u nebebus.
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Commenting on the appointment, first team manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said: “Darren has the United DNA running through his veins and he knows exactly what it takes to be a Manchester United player.
uh oh
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reyu wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 14:57
Commenting on the appointment, first team manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said: “Darren has the United DNA running through his veins and he knows exactly what it takes to be a Manchester United player.
uh oh
Yep. Kuo mažiau su tuo DNA, tuo geriau būtų.
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aBil wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 15:10
reyu wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 14:57
Commenting on the appointment, first team manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said: “Darren has the United DNA running through his veins and he knows exactly what it takes to be a Manchester United player.
uh oh
Yep. Kuo mažiau su tuo DNA, tuo geriau būtų.
Kol kas ištisai apie DNA šnekantis treneris varo geriau, nei bet kuris kuris kitas post-SAF.
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aBil wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 15:10
reyu wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 14:57
Commenting on the appointment, first team manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said: “Darren has the United DNA running through his veins and he knows exactly what it takes to be a Manchester United player.
uh oh
Yep. Kuo mažiau su tuo DNA, tuo geriau būtų.
Nebent kalbose, nes nutąsyta ir užknisus frazė, bet šiaip zjbs, kad pasamdė, ir teisingai pasakė
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Manau kad atejo laikas reikia duoti Olei kredita uz conducta. Kartais tie jo visokiu ubagu gyrimai merkus taskus erzina, bet yra 100x geriau uz Kloppo verkslenimus kaip kita komanda organizuotai gynesi ir neleido zaist.
Po rungtyniu su United ne tik Kloppas, bet net Hendersonas prunkstelejo kai zurnalistas paklause ar United buvo arciau pergales (spoiler alert: taip), nes gi daugiau kamuolio kontroliavo. Jau nekalbant apie raudas del United pendeliu.
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United DNA
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Twittery uzmaciau, kad yra Atletic straipsnis, kaip OGS nedrillina veiksmu atakoje, o nori kad zaidejai mokytusi "situational awereness" ir is esmes darytu ka nori puolime (panasu kad ir standartu gynybai ta pacia filosofija taiko).

Gal kas galit surast ta straipsni nemokama?
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Wat Wat wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 12:26 Twittery uzmaciau, kad yra Atletic straipsnis, kaip OGS nedrillina veiksmu atakoje, o nori kad zaidejai mokytusi "situational awereness" ir is esmes darytu ka nori puolime (panasu kad ir standartu gynybai ta pacia filosofija taiko).

Gal kas galit surast ta straipsni nemokama?
Kokia antraštė straipsnio ?
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T-Wolves wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 12:33
Wat Wat wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 12:26 Twittery uzmaciau, kad yra Atletic straipsnis, kaip OGS nedrillina veiksmu atakoje, o nori kad zaidejai mokytusi "situational awereness" ir is esmes darytu ka nori puolime (panasu kad ir standartu gynybai ta pacia filosofija taiko).

Gal kas galit surast ta straipsni nemokama?
Kokia antraštė straipsnio ?
https://theathletic.com/2338922/2021/01 ... bF0HbMNmwp
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Bus be fotkių:
This Manchester United side are good at snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

Victory over Fulham last Wednesday gave them some interesting accolades. Not only have United won the most points from losing positions in the Premier League this season…

Manchester United
21
Liverpool
10
Leicester City
8
Chelsea
7
West Brom
6
West Ham
6
Tottenham Hotspur
6
Wolverhampton Wanderers
6
Everton
5
… but the seven games they have won from losing positions is already the third most for a whole season in Premier League history, behind the title-winning Manchester United side of 2012-13 (who won 29 points from losing positions) and Newcastle of 2002-03 (who won 34 points from losing positions, finished third and count as that club’s other “Great Entertainers” team).

Newcastle United
2002-03
10
Manchester United
2012-13
9
Manchester United
2020-21
7
Arsenal
1999-2000
7
Arsenal
2011-12
7
Everton
2002-03
7

At the halfway stage of the season, the 2020-21 United side are 17th in the all-time table for points won from losing positions in a Premier League season. If they get just one more draw from a losing position in the remaining 19 games they would go up to 13th, while an additional come-from-behind win will take them to fourth. Furthering the oddness to United’s “go-behind” record is the location of these wins. All 21 of the points United have won from losing positions this season have come away from home, something Ole Gunnar Solskjaer pointed out after the 3-1 victory at West Ham on December 5.

“We got away with a poor performance. Away from home, we have the character and belief. To (come from behind and win) five times on the bounce is exceptional,” he said.

“Last week we were 2-0 down at Southampton at half-time so being only one down was a step forwards! I am very happy with our away form and we are getting more consistent at home too. We are coping better when we are down because the players have character and belief to get back into matches.

“It is not a coincidence that we keep doing this. There is no panic or arguing when we are down. At the end of the season you do not care so much about the performance if you win but we know there are areas we can improve on.”

It’s not a coincidence, but there is something of a trend.

This season’s United team already hold the Premier League “record” for the most away games won from a losing position…

Manchester United
2020-21
7
Arsenal
2011-12
5
Aston Villa
1993-94
5
Newcastle United
2001-02
5
…and also hold the highest points total in this regard.

Manchester United
2020-21
21
Aston Villa
1993-94
17
Newcastle
2001-02
17
Arsenal
2011-12
16
Manchester United
2002-03
16
West Ham
2005-06
15

This is a little odd. United have a history of late goals and comeback wins, especially under Sir Alex Ferguson, but their 2020-21 vintage are mastering this ability to a unique degree.

So, why are the current United side so good at gaining points from losing positions? And why do they need to go behind in order to win games first? After that victory over West Ham, The Athletic opined that the talent for comeback wins stemmed from the knockout punching power of United’s attack having to cover up for a potential glass jaw in their defence. Solskjaer himself might be of the opinion that “home” and “away” is less of a factor in these behind-closed-doors matches, but Premier League teams do attempt to take the initiative when playing at home, opening up more space in behind for United’s deadly counters.

Solskjaer often uses the term “quick” when describing his attack — his United team are known for their strength on counter-attacks and scoring on the transition, but before Sunday’s FA Cup win over Liverpool (another game in which they had trailed), he gave additional detail as to how this quality is developed.

“They’re eager, of course, but it’s also a way we want to attack quickly,” said the United manager about the speed of his team. “It’s not that you have to attack quickly every time, it’s a decision you’ve got to make there and then. Of course it’s in our DNA that if you see a pass, do it. Do it well. I didn’t think we executed the passes well enough. Some of the runs were maybe too eager, especially at Anfield (Solskjaer is referring to the 0-0 draw in the league a week earlier, where United were flagged offside eight times.)

In those words, it sounds as if Solskjaer and his coaching staff look to teach United players to do what they feel is best given the situation around them, giving the impression that he seems to be coaching situational awareness in his attacking drills, rather than pushing them into prescribed routines.

When pressed further on this, he responded, “You can do loads of work, and we do loads of work, but it’s about taking a moment in the game and I feel we’re getting there.

“It’s always been in the DNA of United that we do attack quickly. We do go fast. We have quick and fast players who can get up the pitch quickly. When you get up the pitch, the decision might be to slow it down and play in their half, not just going for the killer pass. They’re the little things we’re trying to fine-tune, of course.”

If you’ve watched United on the break this season, you may have wondered who the man in possession is going to pass to, or indeed when they are going to release the ball. Solskjaer seems to entrust his players to break in behind the opposition and then make the right decision to score. This is likely why individuals tend to improve when they are given extended runs in the first team, as well as why Bruno Fernandes is so important to United (when a player doesn’t know what the correct decision is, they can offload the ball to him, and he can attempt the pass).

A good example of how this works is with United’s goal of the season contender against Brighton shortly after lockdown ended in June.

It starts with Nemanja Matic playing a ball over the top into space for Mason Greenwood…

We’ve circled the positions of Fernandes (bottom of the image), Anthony Martial (furthest right) and Marcus Rashford (in the middle, closest to Matic) as there’s a subtle distinction in the way United attack quickly compared to the other teams at the top of the Premier League.

This goal is not a pre-set move: Matic does not know what Greenwood will do when he gets on the ball, and the teenager is entrusted to make the correct decision once he reaches the final third. It is the job of the rest of United’s attack to give him options when he arrives there.

When he gets there, something interesting has happened: Rashford and Martial have done well to support Greenwood in attack but, unlike other sides that try to attack quickly (in particular, Jose Mourinho’s Tottenham side), the pair have run down the same channel, rather than trying to avoid each other and pick different lanes in an attempt to occupy more defenders.

At the bottom of the screen, Fernandes is beginning to bend his run to a more central area.

This an organic counter-attack from United, there is no set play being run, and no instructions as to where their attackers should run. Players are being trusted to figure things out for themselves.

Which means when Greenwood enters the final third…

…it is Fernandes bending his run inside (as well as signalling for the ball) that has provided him with the best option, which the teenager duly takes, and the Portuguese scores.

This is superb counter-attack goal (for our money, it’s also the best goal United scored all last season), but you can see the more free-form elements to this. The ball moves from left to right quickly and the correct pass is executed at the right time.

What’s interesting is how United are beginning to place additional layers of organisation onto the same plan. That recent league draw with Liverpool saw Luke Shaw throw in an overlapping run for Rashford down the left to create that “low cross pulled back to the penalty area” type of chance Manchester City are so fond of.

Some of these quick attacks can fizzle out due to the more free-form nature of the movements – a key example being Rashford’s run that day at Anfield where, rather than releasing the ball for Edinson Cavani or Paul Pogba, he ended up being shepherded wide by Fabinho and running down a dead-end corridor, but United’s quick attacks are intended to be fluid and trust the man on the ball to make the right decision to create a goal.

What does all this have to do with United’s record after going a goal behind? There’s good reason to believe they lose a degree of hesitancy when going forward while in losing positions. Rather than try to make “good” decisions in these attacking phases, players simply start performing in a manner “good enough to get a goal.” The deficit on the scoreboard clears the objective and can help simplify attacking processes.

Look how this all comes together for United’s first goal when they were 1-0 down to Liverpool on Sunday. After Pogba wins the ball on the edge of the box, Donny van de Beek makes a quick pass out left to Rashford.

The game plan for this fourth-round tie was for Rashford and Greenwood to stay wide and play quickly where possible. Look at the movement from other United players when Rashford gets the ball on the halfway line: again, they are trying to travel from one goal to the other to give him options.

Rashford, with the vocal help of the United bench (Solskjaer admitted his substitutes were shouting “Switch!”), decides to play a crossfield ball to Greenwood on the opposite flank. It’s a difficult pass, but one he executes brilliantly.

In summation, here is some thinking as to why United are so good at coming from behind:
1. United’s great attacking strength comes from counter-attacks and goals on the transition.
2. This strength appears to be coached through situations and entrusting player decisions, rather than set choreographed routines.
3. This attacking style is potent when United play away from home, or against teams who try to take the initiative and leave space behind their defence.
4. The amount of space for counters increases when opposition teams go in search of a second or third goal, aware that one goal is unlikely to be enough to beat United.
5. When United players do attack while a goal behind, their thinking is less muddled as the objective is “guts or glory, do what you need to get a goal to pull us back”.

Is this sustainable? Probably not, if United wish to secure silverware.

While Solskjaer is sure to be pleased his side have a resilience about them, one assumes he would prefer his team to win games without having to go behind first. While United have improved in their two and a bit years under the Norwegian, they can be nervous in defence and occasionally vulnerable when out of possession in midfield — you can get at this side.

However, they have a tendency to bend rather than break after going a goal down. Although former striker Solskjaer does not explain his systems for defence in the same way he describes his attack (although following last week’s victory over Fulham, he shared that United do not try to use the offside trap), defenders such as Luke Shaw are improving, and midfielders Scott McTominay and Fred are coming into their own in their defensive actions.

The eye test will also tell you United defenders tend to spend less time on the ball when the team are drawing or losing — United defend “better” when they’re a goal down and tend to get rid of the ball more decisively. As a whole, United’s defence is getting less shaky while their attack remains potent.

While he may never find all of the ingredients to the secret sauce Ferguson used on his dominant United sides, Solskjaer is getting this team to display more of the quirks that made the teams that he featured in as a player so resilient. The win at Fulham meant this side have tied a club record by going 17 Premier League away games without defeat. They share that accolade with the treble-winning team of 1998-99.

Step back and look at Solskjaer’s record across his entire time as manager (from the start of his spell in interim charge on December 22, 2018), and only Liverpool have picked up more points from losing positions than United have. Now, 55 per cent of those points may have been gained in the first half of this season, but there is something to this United team that means they can bounce back after going a goal behind.

Liverpool
41
Manchester United
38
Wolverhampton Wanderers
36
Tottenham Hotspur
33
Leicester City
26
Southampton
22
Solskjaer’s talk of “United DNA” and evoking some of the great United teams of old is beginning to come good.

The 2020-21 United side are likely to go down as all-time aberrational team and they are thriving in an all-time aberrational season.
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Panasu kad autorius turejo kelias idejas galvoj ir pabande pritempt prie straipsnio, suklijuodamas jas random pavyzdziais, kuriais naudojosi kaip taisykle.

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:arrow_up: pritariu


Kad trenerių štabas dirba ant patternų, presingo triggerių ir kt. aišku ir iš trenerio interviu, kur apie tai pasisako, ir iš naujų ar dažniau pasikartojančių elementų žaidime.

Tarkim:

- seniau: AWB iš esmės vienas dešiniam krašte paliktas, turi būt prime Cafu ir užsiiminėt tiek kamuolio įžaidimu-progresavimu, tiek galine atakos faze. Dabar: vis dažniau dešinėse zonose pajungiamas Rashfordas / Pogba/ Bruno, Greenwoodas irgi jau geriau atlieka įžaidimą-kombinacijas nei anksčiau tik varytis ar įkirtęs į centrą sėdėt norėjo. Matom ir "debriuinišką" elementą - iš dešinio half space'o gerais pasais atakuojama baudos aikštelė, kai šalia dešiniau kažkas dar plotį palaiko geresniam ištampymui. Turim labiau įgalintą dešinę to rezultate;

- presingo triggeriai. Bėdos su giliai žaidžiančių komandų autobusų išvalymu - tam tikrais momentais treneriai nuleido preso triggerius iki centro zonų. Pvz Rashfordas, Bruno nepresina, leidžia varžovams pakilt, bet vos jie tą padaro ir pasiekia tam tikras zonas, United ir ypatingai koks Fredas kaip paleistas sarginis šuo po komandos puola presint, atimamas kamuolys, ir iškart greitai įmetinėjamas už nugarų taip susikuriant erdvių net prieš mylinčius sąstatus.


Anksčiau žaidime šitų elementų tiek nebuvo kaip dabar.


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1. United’s great attacking strength comes from counter-attacks and goals on the transition.
2. This strength appears to be coached through situations and entrusting player decisions, rather than set choreographed routines.
3. This attacking style is potent when United play away from home, or against teams who try to take the initiative and leave space behind their defence.
4. The amount of space for counters increases when opposition teams go in search of a second or third goal, aware that one goal is unlikely to be enough to beat United.
5. When United players do attack while a goal behind, their thinking is less muddled as the objective is “guts or glory, do what you need to get a goal to pull us back”.
Ziurim ka turim: United daug ivarciu musa kontraatakose ir taip vyksta todel, kad komandos, pirmos imususios United, pradeda daug atakuot, nes zino kad pries United 1 golo neuzteks, o tada United pasinaudoja kontraatakom ir atsilosia.. :confusion-seeingstars: :madridista: :confusion-scratchheadblue: :sci-fi-beamup:
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