[Spurs] Transferų naujienos ir gandai 2023/2024

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Furis wrote: 16 Jun 2023, 22:36
Furis wrote: 16 Jun 2023, 08:14 Deramasi su Juventus dėl nuolaidos už Kulusevski. Romano sako, kad gali pavykti
Pavyko. Kulusevski ant visajaus už 30mln EUR, kas yra apie 25mln svarais. Nepamenu kiek buvo nuoma, gal 10-15mln? Anyway, nobrainer dealas, tikiuosi prie Ange pagaus savo pirmo pusmečio formą.

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FPL geras variantas? :idea:
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Geras Spurs transferų lango spėjimas. Tik puolimas + saugai, gynyba + GK bus kitoje dalyje
Tottenham Hotspur are expected to be active participants in the summer transfer window as they look to give their new head coach what he needs
Tottenham Hotspur are set to embark on a busy summer transfer window to shape their squad to fit Ange Postecoglou's needs and that means some changes in attack.
Spurs hired the 57-year-old Australian this month and he arrives with a very specific style of play, utilising fast and furious possession football underpinned by pressing high up the pitch to win the ball back quickly. His favoured 4-3-3 system at clubs will require Tottenham to make a string of changes to a squad that was built for different managers with different philosophies and most recently a back three with wing-backs with Antonio Conte.

football.london takes a look at what is needed at Spurs and what the plans are within the club to overhaul the squad for Postecoglou. We'll focus on the midfield and attack today, while the second part tomorrow will delve into the defensive end of the pitch and the search for a successor to Hugo Lloris and new centre-backs, as well as exits.

When it comes to Tottenham's midfield and attack, the two priorities this summer are understood to be a new attacking midfielder for the centre of the pitch as well as a winger to operate further up the flank.The Postecoglou midfield three often operates with one number six pivot player who collects the ball from the defence and sprays it around the pitch and then two number eights who will operate in box-to-box roles and look to race up to support the centre forward at any opportunity.
Spurs have plenty of players who can fulfil the pivot role but fewer who can operate in the two more offensive positions. Rodrigo Bentancur and Yves Bissouma can operate in either of the three midfield positions in a Postecoglou system while Oliver Skipp can sit in the deeper anchor role.

Postecoglou is expected to make a decision on the future of Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, who despite his increased attacking output last season is not as natural a fit for either midfield role. Bayern Munich are understood to have some interest in bringing the Denmark international back to the Bundesliga if Spurs and Hojbjerg do decide to part ways.

Young midfielder Pape Matar Sarr has been developing steadily at the club and the new head coach will have a good look at the 20-year-old Senegal international during pre-season to see just how effective he can be in the number eight role.

Another youngster, 18-year-old midfielder Alfie Devine, could end up with a spot on Tottenham's tour to Australia and Asia next month before a decision is made on whether he should now head out on loan to gain regular starts. The lack of European football at Spurs next season means minutes will be sparse for some squad players to impress.
Postecoglou approved the £25.6m signing of Dejan Kulusevski on a permanent deal from Juventus this week and the 23-year-old Swede is another who could be converted into the number eight role if required.

The new Tottenham head coach also switches up his formation to a 4-2-3-1 system at times and football.london understands Spurs are looking to sign someone who can come in and offer a versatile option for both systems. That is why they are involved in the picture with Newcastle to acquire James Maddison from Leicester City.

The 26-year-old can play in a range of roles in a midfield three, the centre of a three behind a striker in a 4-2-3-1 or on the right of a front three.
In the 2021/22 season Maddison was directly involved in 30 goals for the Foxes with 18 goals and 12 assists, while in his last injury-fragmented campaign, within a struggling relegated side, he still managed 10 goals and nine assists in 32 matches.
Postecoglou is understood to like Maddison and both men also happen to be represented by the same agency, CAA Base, who have a growing presence at Spurs with key players in the first team such as Son Heung-min, Richarlison and Pedro Porro and also many of the academy's most talented youngsters, including Alfie Devine, Dane Scarlett and Jamie Donley.

Among other targets, and although a more inexperienced one, football.london understands Tottenham have asked to be kept apprised of the situation with Bristol City starlet Alex Scott, who turns 20 this summer. The Championship club are believed to want a fee in the region of £20m for the young central midfielder, who has two years left on his contract. Spurs are not the only Premier League club looking at him, with other sides in the English top flight and in Europe eyeing up the England U20 starlet.

In terms of exits, Postecoglou is expected to take a good look first at Tanguy Ndombele before making a decision on the Frenchman, who has two years left on his contract. Both Napoli, where he was on loan, and Fenerbahce among others have shown interest in the 26-year-old for next season but Spurs are at this point likely to struggle to get anywhere near even half the £60m-plus deal all in they agreed for Ndombele in 2019 from Lyon.
There has always been a hope within Tottenham that Ndombele will eventually repay their faith in him and he would fit a couple of roles with Postecoglou's midfield. However, to do so he would need to buy in entirely to the relentless high energy nature of the Australian's football.

Argentina international Giovani Lo Celso has interest from Aston Villa and Villarreal and is expected to head out of the club after his loan season with the latter, as is Harry Winks, who is nearing the final 12 months of his contract with Spurs following his campaign at Sampdoria. Academy product Harvey White, 21, could also be allowed to leave the club if there is not deemed to be a place for him next season in Postecoglou's immediate plans.
football.london understands that Tottenham are also looking to bring in a young winger to complement their mostly experienced attacking stars in order to suitably fill the gap left in the squad by Lucas Moura's exit as well as that of Arnaut Danjuma, after the club decided not to take up the option to sign the Netherlands international permanently. Ivan Perisic, who can also play in an advanced role, is being tipped to leave the club this summer as he enters the second half of his two-year deal.

Spurs will look to find a winger who fits the Postecoglou requirements of having the ability to beat a man with pace or skill, be strong in the transition and able to press high up the pitch in order to regain possession.
Son and Kulusevski can both fit that role perfectly while Richarlison, more a natural centre-forward fit in the Postecoglou system, can also drift out wide if required. Postecoglou will look at Bryan Gil in pre-season after his Europa League-winning campaign back at Sevilla to see whether the talented 22-year-old can fully adapt to Premier League football as he does tick plenty of the boxes the new head coach is looking for and was one of the fittest players at the club during last summer's pre-season camp in South Korea.

Although slightly older than the age range Tottenham are believed to be looking at for a new winger, they do hold a strong interest in Harvey Barnes, who managed 13 goals and three assists from the left wing for Leicester despite their struggles this season. In the last campaign the 25-year-old managed 25 goal involvements for the Foxes, with 11 goals and 14 assists in 47 matches.
Spurs have explored a double deal for both Barnes and Maddison although the club continue to claim that no such bid has been made yet. Tottenham are also looking at other young alternative wingers who can play on either flank.

Up front, there is less need for a new striker with the options currently available.
Tottenham continue to maintain that they have no intention of selling Harry Kane this summer, particularly to another Premier League club. He is currently expected to remain in north London next season in the absence of any foreign side showing the willingness at this stage to spend the major sum of money for a soon-to-be 30-year-old in the final year of his contract to even start to turn Spurs' head.
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pntmstr wrote: 18 Jun 2023, 14:00 FPL geras variantas? :idea:
Jei čia rimtas klausimas tai priklausys nuo kainos, kuri turėtų būt mažesnė nei pernykštė 8. Jei čia bajeris iš praėjusio sezono, kur Kulusevski nuvylė daugelį, tai suprantu skausmą, pats papuoliau į tą duobę.

Tuo tarpu Kulusevski džiaugiasi kad viskas išsisprendė:
“Finally you get to know your future. You know where to live. We are people too, you don't just want to be on loan everywhere. You want to find a home you want in and plan your future with your family. It feels really good.”

When did you get the notification?

“It was a strange feeling. When I was sitting here in the stands watching the practice match (against New Zealand). The last few days have gone by very quickly and you think back and forth a bit and finally you land on it and are very happy. Now after a few days it feels very, very good”

Did you tell anyone in the stands?

“No, not really. I was calm. Then my family was here too, whom I met after the match. We were happy, it was quite expected but you never know what will happen and you want it on paper.”

“It is clear that it is difficult, you always want to know where to live and be. It's taken a long time so it's been hard, absolutely, but it's part of life. I've tried not to think about it so much, but it's incredibly nice now”

“The situation has not been managed as it should be managed. But now I'm happy that everything is ready. It is clear that I would have liked it to be clear much earlier and that I should not sit and wait for a decision to be made. But with the way things are going with the coaches and the fact that the club had to change a lot of people, I understand that it took extra time.”

“I have been on loan for a year and a half. Now I'm looking forward to building a future in London, he says.”
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Raya (Rajos?) gali ir nebūti. Iš Brentford pusės logiška atkakliai prašyt norimos sumos, nes jei tik jis atsidurtų United kandidatų sąraše, tai tuos 40mln Brentford ir gautų. Bet Spurs be Europos jau kažin ar gali mokėt 40mln už 1 metų kontraktą turintį ispaną. Bus gaila, nes variantas puikus, bet ne kažkoks mega nusivylimas, logiškai įvertinant aplinkybes.

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Pasileido gandai apie Guglielmo Vicario. Empoli vartininkas, lyg turėjęs labai gerą sezoną, pakviestas į rinktinę, tai čia viskas ką žinau. Gerai tai, kad nelaukiama Brentford malonės ir kitas variantas yra čia ir dabar. Kas žino, gal čia blefas prieš nuleidžiant Raya kainą. Tik ar pats kandidatas yra geras, tai čia jau paliksiu kitiems nuspręsti.





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Tai Paratici vis dar tampo virveles, tik šįkart po stalu?
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Here we go! Net keista kaip greit pavyko susiderėt. Serie A fanai reddite sako kad anas yra real deal, gal net antras/trečias lygos vartininkas. O man dar smagiau, nes nei sekundės nesu matęs treneriaujančio trenerio ir nei sekundės nesu matęs naujo pagrindinio GK :happy-partydance:

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Kadangi GK jau yra, kitas kritinis prioritetas - CB. Atrodo kad bus rimtas pagrindinis + atsarginis/squad.

Pagrindiniai: Tapsoba iš Bayer, Kilman iš Wolves, Guehi iš Palace, Bremer iš Juventus (labiausiai unlikely), o paskutinis atsirado Van de Ven iš Wolfsburg, kurio aktyviai nori Liverpool. Paskutinio tai labai norėčiau, nežinau ar esu matęs tokį didelį, bet kartu tokį greitą gynėją.

Atsarginiai/squad: Ibanez iš Roma, Adarabioyo iš Fulham, Lenglet iš Barcos. Jei nėra kažkokio obvious gero varianto, tai aš už Lenglet. Pigus, patikrintas, kliurkų kaip kad Barcoj nepridarė, viskas priklausys nuo algos, kurią tektų smarkiai susimažint.

Jei Ange žais 4 gynėjais, tai centre bus Romero + naujas CB, o ant suolo naujas pirkinys į squadą bei kažkas iš Dier/Tanganga. Sanchez out ir nelabai žinau ką Ange galvos dėl Ben Davies, kuris nors ir patikimas, bet nežinau ar turi resursų lošt kaip CB keturių linijoje.

Nu ir Romano sako, kad pagr fokusas priekyje - James Maddison. Anksčiau nelabai patikdavo, bet sunku rast argumentų prieš. Paskutiniai trys Lesterio sezonai per G/A prizmę - 15, 20, 19 (relegation sezone). Pačiam jėgų pike, ateitų spręst antros didžiausios problemos - kūrybiškumo. Gali lošt 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 tiek centre, tiek krašte, o ir kaina jo bus mažiausia per paskutinius tris metus. Jei Newcastle nuo jo atsitrauks, tai didesnių komandų už Spurs jo sąraše nebėra. O dar ir sakoma, kad nori keltis į Londoną.

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TIC TOC

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Opa. Įdomu ar bus atmesta, nes Levy norės daugiau pinigų, ar atmesta nes neparduodamas.

Dėl kainos, tai šiais laikais aš daug dalykų nebesuprantu. Tiek daug pinigų už metų kontrakta yra nesuvokiama, bet tuo pačiu metu Mason Mount eina už 50-65mln svarų, tai kaip Kane galima parduot už 60 + bonusai?

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Furis wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 13:22 Opa. Įdomu ar bus atmesta, nes Levy norės daugiau pinigų, ar atmesta nes neparduodamas.

Dėl kainos, tai šiais laikais aš daug dalykų nebesuprantu. Tiek daug pinigų už metų kontrakta yra nesuvokiama, bet tuo pačiu metu Mason Mount eina už 50-65mln svarų, tai kaip Kane galima parduot už 60 + bonusai?

Skirtumai, kokius aš matau tarp Kane ir Mount situacijų:
- bidina ne EPL klubas (pastariesiems natūrali priemoka + priemoka už HG statusą);
- amžiaus skirtumas. Mounto įsigijimą amortizuot per ilgesnį laikotarpį gali dėl ilgesnio kontrakto; kiek Bayernas Kane duotų? Max 4 metus.
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Phect wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 13:59 Skirtumai, kokius aš matau tarp Kane ir Mount situacijų:
- bidina ne EPL klubas (pastariesiems natūrali priemoka + priemoka už HG statusą);
- amžiaus skirtumas. Mounto įsigijimą amortizuot per ilgesnį laikotarpį gali dėl ilgesnio kontrakto; kiek Bayernas Kane duotų? Max 4 metus.
Tas taip, bet Kane yra top3 geidžiamiausių strikerių sąraše, o Mount yra net nebereikalingas Chelsiui. Per metus/du Mountų atsiras ne vienas, Kane'ų jau reiks palaukti.

Kas liečia pirmą punktą, tai kadangi bidina ne EPL klubas su ne EPLiška suma, tai ir atmesta bus iš karto/greitai.
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Furis wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 14:14
Phect wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 13:59 Skirtumai, kokius aš matau tarp Kane ir Mount situacijų:
- bidina ne EPL klubas (pastariesiems natūrali priemoka + priemoka už HG statusą);
- amžiaus skirtumas. Mounto įsigijimą amortizuot per ilgesnį laikotarpį gali dėl ilgesnio kontrakto; kiek Bayernas Kane duotų? Max 4 metus.
Tas taip, bet Kane yra top3 geidžiamiausių strikerių sąraše, o Mount yra net nebereikalingas Chelsiui. Per metus/du Mountų atsiras ne vienas, Kane'ų jau reiks palaukti.

Kas liečia pirmą punktą, tai kadangi bidina ne EPL klubas su ne EPLiška suma, tai ir atmesta bus iš karto/greitai.
Nėra lyg nereikalingas jis? Ir Početinas sakė, kad nori pasilikt jį, ir kontraktas siūlytas buvo, ir pats, akivaizdu, nesiplėšo išvykt.
Dėl Kane tai jei valuationų skirtumas yra koks 20 mil. tai gal geriau paleist į kitą lygą, kurioje už rivalsus nemuš?
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Panašu, kad Spurs nori angliškos transfero sumos iš užjūrio. Buvo reportų, kad patys neparduos tikrai į Prem lygą.
Bayerno offer'is tikrai geras, nebent tikisi, kad sugrįš su didesniu.
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Man kaip visada kyla klausimų seka: jei Bayern teikė offerį Tottenhamui, tai reikia suprast kad Kane norėtų ten keltis? Nes šiais laikais siūlyt pinigus už žaidėją, kuris net nenori keltis tai jau lyg retas reikalas?

Jei taip, tai ar Kane neberūpi Shearerio rekordas? Ar gal galvoja, kad spės jį sumušt? Ar jei nori į Bayerną ir Levy atmes vieną/du offerius, jis stosis piestu su transfer requestu ar tylės, kad nebūtų kaip City atveju?
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Furis wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 16:36Jei taip, tai ar Kane neberūpi Shearerio rekordas?
Keinui į galvą, aišku, neįlysim, bet man kažkaip atrodo, kad apie rekordus galvoji tada, kai tave pilnai tenkina pagrindiniai „darbo“ komponentai: klubas, atlyginimas, ateities karjeros/medalių perspektyvos (pagal ambicijas).

Atrodo abejotina, kad žaidėjui nesant patenkintam dėl bent vieno iš išvardintų pagrindinių poreikių, sprendimą keistų perspektyva gauti popierutę „už aktyvų dalyvavimą klasės (lygos) veikloje“. Čia kaip koks vienaragis major problemas darbovietėje spręstų su pizza party.
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Phect wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 17:37
Furis wrote: 27 Jun 2023, 16:36Jei taip, tai ar Kane neberūpi Shearerio rekordas?
Keinui į galvą, aišku, neįlysim, bet man kažkaip atrodo, kad apie rekordus galvoji tada, kai tave pilnai tenkina pagrindiniai „darbo“ komponentai: klubas, atlyginimas, ateities karjeros/medalių perspektyvos (pagal ambicijas).

Atrodo abejotina, kad žaidėjui nesant patenkintam dėl bent vieno iš išvardintų pagrindinių poreikių, sprendimą keistų perspektyva gauti popierutę „už aktyvų dalyvavimą klasės (lygos) veikloje“. Čia kaip koks vienaragis major problemas darbovietėje spręstų su pizza party.
Man rodos nuvertinam to Shearerio rekordo svarbą. Sheareris turi vieną lygos titulą, bet visi jį atsimenam/žinom kaip geriausią ever PL įvarčių mušiką. Jei Kane tai rūpi, tai čia didesnis legacy nei vargais negalais iškovota taurė su Spurs ar United.
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Ant vartų bus Jorginho.

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