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Beje, paklausiau stebuklingo rutulio Ask 8 Ball. Nesakau, kad čia patikimiausias šaltinis, bet manau nebūna dūmų be ugnies. Make of that what you will.

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Lavonas dar vaikšto, bet vis tiek neišvengiamai reikės įpėdinio.
Ta proga radau tokio jaunuolio blogą, kur jis rašo apie tai, kokio trenerio Evertonui reikėtų. Longreadas, kuris nedaug kam įdomus, todėl savo žodžiais papasakosiu santrumpą, kuri vis tiek bus ilga :)

Pagrindinė mintis, kuri man patinka, kad naujas treneris turi būt ne big name, ne proven in the Prem ar dar kažkoks, o toks, kuris tiktų prie dabartinio stiliaus ir žaidėjų. Galų gale tam ir buvo pasamdytas Brandsas, kad jei su vienu treneriu nepaeina, būtų paimtas kitas, kuris negriautų sistemos, o tęstų tą pačią liniją tik kokybiškiau. Didžiausia problema buvo mėtymasis nuo Moyeso prie Martinezo, Koemano, Samo, Silvos – kardinaliai skirtingų trenerių, kuriems reikėjo kardinaliai skirtingų žaidėjų.

Dabar žiūrim, ką gero turi Silva. Nelabai ką, bet vienas geras dalykas tikrai yra – spaudimas. Ir žaidėjai tam tinkami. Todėl autorius kaip kriterijus paėmė pressingą ir xG. Siauras požiūris, bet logiškas. Shortlistas sudarytas tik iš 5 top lygų.

Pradžiai atmetė tuos trenerius, kurie atitinka kriterijus, bet yra nerealistiški targetai bendrai arba šiuo metu (kaip pvz Favre arba Rodgersas). Tada atmetė tuos, kurie netraukia reikiamo lygio.
Liko ne per ilgiausias sąrašas. kurį aš dar patrumpinau, pvz išmečiau Ranieri:

Jose Luis Mendilibar (Eibar)
Adi Hutter (Eintracht)
Gian Piero Gasperini (Atalanta)
Luciano Spalletti (laisvas).

Mendilibar toks laukinis variantas ir būtų didelis gamble‘as, o jam nemažas šuolis į viršų. Bet įdomus veikėjas. Sako, kad jis Ispanijoj biški revoliucionierius, vienintelis La Ligos treneris, naudojantis rimtą spaudimą. Gerai kalba angliškai.
Jose Luis Mendilibar. Eibar smashed up La Liga in the xG stakes last year finishing second only to Barcelona with an impressive xGD of 19. In reality, however, they finished only 12th, which immediately raises two questions. Firstly: ‘If he had the players to play this system how good could he get a team to be’. Alternatively: ‘This xG lark is a load of old bollocks, innit?’
That 12th place finish was one of the biggest underperformances I’ve seen in top league numbers. Eibar were 5th in my xG numbers the season before, and 8th before that. Each time with a positive xGD. Each time under Mendilibar. Both times they finished top 10 in reality.
Adi Hutter. Eintracht finished last season 8th in my xGD table (on -1xGD) for Bundesliga but 7th in reality. Pretty decent in attack on the numbers and ok in defence, Hutter’s side smashed it on both sides, scoring more than xG suggested and conceding less than it suggested it should too. I have no other underlying data for Hutter but won league titles with RB Salzburg and Young Boys since 2015 (and several times in Austria before that). Eintracht are going well again both on the numbers and in reality this season.
Gian Piero Gasperini. Atalanta have been a top 3 xGD team in Serie A for the last two seasons. Good offensively which is what we’re all desperate for at Everton. The best manager here on that score so far doing enough to get around 70 xGF in both those seasons. Tough gig in the Champions League so far this year and not looking likely to advance from the group makes it slightly more possible that he’d actually come. If you don’t ask you don’t get. Again, I can’t find an interview with him in English, but haven’t looked that hard.

Tiesą sakant Gasperini turbūt irgi reikėtų išbraukt iš sąrašo, bent kol kas. CL vis dėl to lošia.
Luciano Spalletti. Two very good seasons of xGD with Inter since 2017 having finished 2nd in his season back at Roma in 2016-17. I have to admit, I loved this guy in his first spell at Roma but he’s always fallen slightly short since. I have seen it said that Spalletti was the ‘inventor’ of 4-2-3-1 so he’d fit right in at Goodison straight away even if he doesn’t appear to speak the Queens’
Man tai iš šito short listo arčiausiai širdies Hutter. Jauniausias iš visų, serial winner ir tikriausiai būtų laimingas išbandyt jėgas aukštesniam lygy.
Vien vardas Adolf Hütter skamba įspūdingai. Jau įsivaizduoju, kiek Grand Old Team forumas deliverintų nacistinių puntų, o iš Spursų imtume po 6 taškus per sezoną. Beje, jo žmonos vardas yra Eva :handgestures-salute:

Dabar belieka tikėtis, kad Brandsas padarė ne mažiau rimtus namų darbus negu random blogeris ir kad parodys daugiau fantazijos negu lažybų kontoros (ir ankstesnė Evertono valdžia).
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Nu vardas lyg ir Sabina, bet bala nametė, jeigu rimuosis, tegu būna Eva.
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flasher1 wrote: 15 Oct 2019, 15:57 Nu vardas lyg ir Sabina, bet bala nametė, jeigu rimuosis, tegu būna Eva.
Antras vardas. Sabine Eva Hütter.
Net nepagalvojau, kad jis rimuojasi ne tik su Eva Braun, bet ir su Evertonu (the Ev). Čia turbūt ženklas.
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Keiskit jus nekeite trenerius- Everton buvo ir bus tik antra Liverpoolio miesto komanda...bet kita vertus manau, kad dideliausia klaida buvo Koeman atleidimas., todel dabar ir reikia kentet su visokiais Silvom.
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Didžiausia klaida buvo, kad nepavyko Big Samo išlaikyt. Būtų visiems viskas aišku.
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KepenuBaseinas wrote: 18 Oct 2019, 18:03 Keiskit jus nekeite trenerius- Everton buvo ir bus tik antra Liverpoolio miesto komanda...
Visų pirma tai nesąmonė, ne visada buvo, o kaip bus niekas nežino.
Visų antra, net jei būtų sąmonė, kokia šitos gilios įžvalgos prasmė? Reikia laikyt inept managerį poste iki klinikinės mirties?

O su Koemanu viskas sudėtingiau. Šiaip jo išmetimas buvo neišvengiamas, bet klaida (švelniai tariant) buvo jį išmest neturint jokio plano.
Koemanui nepasisekė, kad pateko į durnių laivą. Jei būtų turėjęs padoresnį DoF, galėjo viskas ir kitaip susiklostyt. Antra vertus, kai esi biški padėjęs ant darbo ir kolegų ir šiaip truputuką arogantiškas, tai reikia susitaikyt, kad neturėsi jokio pasitikėjimo rezervo ir kai ateis duobė, skrisi von. Todėl net su geru direktorium jam nebūtų lengva.
Jei būtų toks darboholikas kaip Silva ir turėtų tokius PR skillsus kaip Martinezas, būtų beveik idealus treneris.
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KepenuBaseinas wrote: 18 Oct 2019, 18:03 Keiskit jus nekeite trenerius- Everton buvo ir bus tik antra Liverpoolio miesto komanda...bet kita vertus manau, kad dideliausia klaida buvo Koeman atleidimas., todel dabar ir reikia kentet su visokiais Silvom.

Negalima taip sakyt.
City irgi buvo antra Manchesterio miesto komanda :lol:
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Šiaip pirmas 35 minutes tai crazy impressive atrodo Evertono spaudimas ir intensity. West Hamas po šitu spaudimu kol kas atrodo kaip A lygos komanda (panašiai kaip prieš Man City pirmame ture).

Klausimas tik - negi užteks sveikatos visas 90min taip lakstyt.
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Everton: puiki tranzicija ir apgailėtinas žaidimas final 3rd
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iSamsung wrote: 19 Oct 2019, 14:38
KepenuBaseinas wrote: 18 Oct 2019, 18:03 Keiskit jus nekeite trenerius- Everton buvo ir bus tik antra Liverpoolio miesto komanda...bet kita vertus manau, kad dideliausia klaida buvo Koeman atleidimas., todel dabar ir reikia kentet su visokiais Silvom.





Negalima taip sakyt.
City irgi buvo antra Manchesterio miesto komanda :lol:
Ir dabar mcity yra antra miesto komanda pagal visus aspektus, pradedant nuo fanu bazes ir baigiant titulais, isskyrus tik - mcity zaidzia geriau, bet net gi tas nekeicia fakto kas yra nr 1 Manchestery...
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KepenuBaseinas wrote: 19 Oct 2019, 15:25
iSamsung wrote: 19 Oct 2019, 14:38 Negalima taip sakyt.
City irgi buvo antra Manchesterio miesto komanda :lol:
Ir dabar mcity yra antra miesto komanda pagal visus aspektus, pradedant nuo fanu bazes ir baigiant titulais, isskyrus tik - mcity zaidzia geriau, bet net gi tas nekeicia fakto kas yra nr 1 Manchestery...
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Solidi diskusija :lol:
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hippo wrote: 07 Oct 2019, 14:21 Toliau jei laimi netyčia prieš West Hamą, kas namie yra įmanoma, gauna biški laiko, tada vėl susimauna, tada vėl kažką laimi, tada kažkaip datraukia iki gruodžio, kai reikės žaist iš eilės su 4 dideliais klubais, ten kaip visada pasirodo gerai, nes tik tai jis ir moka, tada spaudimas nukrenta, o po to jei vėl apsišika, tai nebėra ponto keist trenerio iki sezono galo.
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Nors credit where it's due, Silva išdrįso pakoreguot personalą (su traumų pagalba), ko pasėkoje vidurys tapo daug mobilesnis, ko pasėkoje West Hamas suvarytas į vieną kasą.
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The Athletic su įdomiu insaidu:
After four defeats on the bounce, Silva had accepted this was not about subtle tweaks but rather a root-and-branch look at how best to maximise the resources in Everton’s squad. Something — or rather some things — had to change.

And so, afforded the best part of a fortnight to hatch a plan to get his underperforming side back on track, the Portuguese and his backroom team set about meticulously plotting the downfall of West Ham.

The two-week break featured several clear-the-air talks with his squad, many hours analysing West Ham’s strengths and weaknesses, and regular sessions on the training ground honing a new system for defending set pieces.

As with most Premier League sides during the break, Everton were without a host of their international stars. Jordan Pickford and Michael Keane were both part of Gareth Southgate’s England squad, while the likes of Lucas Digne, Seamus Coleman, Richarlison, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Alex Iwobi were also away with their countries.

Almost without fail, Everton ask their returning international stars to report for duty at either 3pm or 5pm the day after they get back, but this month the later time was simply not an option. Knowing he needed as much time on the training ground as possible to drill his players, Silva told his returning internationals to report to Finch Farm at the earlier time of 3pm.

There, squad meetings were called to determine what was going wrong and how it could be put right. Players were asked for input and, once the home truths had been aired, a steely determination emerged to put things right. The conversations were tough but just about everyone associated with the disappointing start to the season knew they needed to improve.

In the build-up to the weekend’s game, Silva and his backroom team analysed video footage of Everton and West Ham’s recent fixtures in the hope of finding answers to some of their ills. They came up with two solutions.

The first, in light of their woes at set pieces, was a switch from the much-criticised zonal marking at defensive corners to man-marking. It was the first time Silva had deviated from zonal marking, which has been his preferred method of defending during his time in England. Sources close to Everton confirmed the change in approach to The Athletic, with a group of between five to six defenders asked to go man-for-man at set-pieces while a smaller number defended in zones.

This was acceptance from Silva that his side’s defending from crosses has not been good enough so far this season — and a bold step forward for a manager who critics have labelled as intransigent.

Silva’s courage was repaid in full. Everton surrendered just one meaningful chance to West Ham from dead-ball situations — Angelo Ogbonna stinging the palms of Pickford in the second half from a corner that should probably have never been given — but, on the whole, Yerry Mina and Keane, in particular, were back to being their dominant selves.

Silva also saw West Ham midfielder Declan Rice as another potential weakness. Sources confirmed to The Athletic that the Everton manager had identified space either side of Rice that Everton could exploit. The idea was to effectively play with two No 10s in Iwobi and Bernard, who came in regularly from his position on the left, to create a numerical advantage that Rice would not have the pace to cover.

“The manager told me to try to get the team going forward as quickly as possible but also keep the ball and create chances and I felt I would be able to do that,” Iwobi told EvertonTV after the game.

With Tom Davies and Andre Gomes reinstated at the expense of the injured Fabian Delph and Morgan Schneiderlin, and Iwobi and Bernard thriving in the hole, West Ham were unable to cope with the fluidity in Everton’s game. The approach focused on rapid transitions and quick switches, and yielded an xG of 2.23 according to Understat.

Silva’s team selection had initially raised eyebrows. Among five changes, Theo Walcott was recalled to the right wing as Richarlison moved to a makeshift role up front. Whereas against Burnley, Sigurdsson and Dominic Calvert-Lewin exchanged just one pass between them all game, here Iwobi and Richarlison managed six. According to Opta, Iwobi also made 18 passes into the final third and six into the West Ham area. Sigurdsson’s totals against Burnley read six and three respectively.

Everton were more dangerous for the ingenuity of dual playmakers Iwobi and Bernard and the pace and movement of Walcott and Richarlison, but they were also helped by a much more efficient midfield behind them.

On his first start of the season, Davies made 20 forward passes — the most by an Everton player — and managed a pass completion of 85 per cent. Alongside him, the elegant Andre Gomes also excelled and was awarded broadcaster BT Sport’s man of the match prize.

Homegrown talent Davies may have been fortunate to feature in the absence of Delph and Schneiderlin but he grabbed his chance with both hands and was described as a “special” talent by Silva after the game. Sources have told The Athletic that Everton view the young midfielder as their present and future, but have told him to improve his consistency. The feeling in some quarters is that negative comments from the crowd have had an adverse impact on a player who is at his best when looking to be bold on the ball.

Even during a spell in which they were both out of the team, Davies — “a training ground animal” according to one source — and Schneiderlin were taken aside by Silva and singled out for their work ethic at Finch Farm. The understanding was that opportunities would present themselves if the pair continued to put in the hard yards. Walcott is another to have benefited from Silva’s desire to reward performances in training. Two of the three were key here.

Given his dearth of game-time, it would have been no surprise if Davies had been rusty. Yet two full 90 minutes for England Under-21s during the break helped his match fitness and he returned to Everton with a point to prove. For all the outside focus on his appearance and interests off the field, sources say Davies wants nothing more than to succeed at his boyhood club. There is a burning desire to improve Everton’s fortunes that was fully evident on the pitch on Saturday — particularly in the aftermath of Sigurdsson’s match-clinching goal.

Aside from his role tactically, Davies is also one of the louder figures in the dressing room. The midfielder has captained England age-group sides all the way through to under-21 level and was also handed the armband by Silva at times last season. His leadership was evident both in rousing his team-mates in the dressing room before the game and in the tunnel just before kick-off.

What followed was an all-action display from the midfielder, who regained the ball 13 times, distributed smartly through the opposition lines and, in tandem with Gomes, dominated the midfield. Davies has also been told to avoid early bookings that hamper his ability to make challenges. A yellow card duly came in first-half injury time, but by then he had helped Everton to get a grip of a game they were never looked likely to relinquish.

Davies has had to watch on as Rice, among others, have leapfrogged him in the England pecking order. It has left the Everton youngster with a point to prove for both club and country, but there was only one winner in their personal duel on Saturday.

But then, all over the pitch, Everton players won their battles. Victory was a cathartic moment after what had gone before. As Sigurdsson’s shot hit the back of the net, Davies sank to his knees then hugged Keane. It was relief that the plan had come off.

Silva and his players deserve credit for turning the ship around in the face of adversity. The next challenge is to sustain it, starting with Brighton away on Saturday.
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Su visa pagarba skaitau kad straipsnis skystas, su daug vandens, beprasmybių bei noro pasirodyt kokie mes faini ir kiek daug turim inside informacijos.
Tie meetai, užsidarymas Finch Farme naktį prieš rungtynes, ilgos kalbos su žaidėjais ir kruvinas darbas treniruotėse jau seniai nuvalkioti dalykai, kurie nieko gero neduoda. Darbštumo iš Silvos neatimsi, tik naudos iš to nulis. Tą patį zonal markingą drillina taip, kad pasak kitų insaiderių, kai kuriuos žaidėjus jau negyvai užkniso, bet kaip buvo daugiausiai iš standartų prasileidžianti komanda, taip ir liko.

Ta pergalė prieš West Hamą, parodant geriausią sezono žaidimą, atėjo tikrai ne dėl meticulous approach ir dėmesio detalėms, o dėl to, kad Pellegrini komanda yra tiesiog idealus varžovas Evertonui. Pasikartosiu 10 kartą, kad Silvos Evertonas visiškai nemoka žaist prieš autobusus ir spardytojus į priekį. Varžovai žaidžiantys out of the back jam yra saldainis. Vienintelė komanda, žaidžianti tokiu stilium, kuri sugebėjo laimėt prieš Evertoną per paskutinius 8 mėnesius, yra Man City. O ir jie laimėjo nelengvai. O kadangi Rice'ą persekiot yra biški lengviau negu Fernandinho, tai ir rezultatas atitinkamas. Problema ta, kad 13-15 EPL komandų prieš Evertoną taip nežaidžia.

Aišku negalima neduot kredito Silvai už šitas rungtynes. Vien jau minėto zonal markingo atsisakymas yra puikus dalykas, nors ir pavėluotas kokiais metais.
Už priekinį ketvertą irgi galima pagirt. Kai tikri puolėjai nemuša, logiška pabandyt žaidimą be tikrų puolėjų.
Vietoj tuščio Gylfi pabandyt Iwobi in the hole irgi nėra blogai, nors nemanau, kad optimistai čia teisūs ir Iwobi taip pat žydės ir kitose rungtynėse. Beprasmiška lygint su rungtynėm vs Burnley ir džiaugtis kad žymiai daugiau progų sukurta ir forward pasų atlikta. Taip yra ne dėl to, kad Iwobi geras/Gylfi grybas, o todėl, kad žaista prieš Dyche, kuris puikiai žino kaip žaist su Evertonu, ir prieš Pellegrini, kuris klajoja kosmose.

Daviesas aišku maladiec, kad ir visiškai nusodintas nepasiduoda ir aria treniruotėse, bet Silvos nuopelno čia nulis. Žaidė todėl, kad visi kiti traumuoti. Sunku net paaiškint, kodėl gerb. treneris jį taip ignoruoja.


Apibendrinant, geras Silvos pasirodymas, bet jis nekeičia esmės, šita pergalė neapsuko jokio fucking laivo. Jei paims pelnytą ir logišką pergalę prieš Brightoną, nusiimsiu skrybėlę ir pradėsiu tikėt, kad jis gali kažką pakeist.
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hippo wrote: 19 Oct 2019, 16:33
hippo wrote: 07 Oct 2019, 14:21 Toliau jei laimi netyčia prieš West Hamą, kas namie yra įmanoma, gauna biški laiko, tada vėl susimauna, tada vėl kažką laimi, tada kažkaip datraukia iki gruodžio, kai reikės žaist iš eilės su 4 dideliais klubais, ten kaip visada pasirodo gerai, nes tik tai jis ir moka, tada spaudimas nukrenta, o po to jei vėl apsišika, tai nebėra ponto keist trenerio iki sezono galo.
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Digne winneri ikale...😂
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I think it's nice that all the WAGs of Everton players never have to worry about their husbands/boyfriends being unfaithful.

...No chance they'll play away from home.
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Dar vienas kandidatas į trenerio postą?
Roberto Martinez feels he has unfinished business with the club.
“I loved my time at Everton. I only have great memories, we finished with 72 points,” the now-Belgium boss told Goals on Sunday.

“We were in Europe, we were in two semi-finals of the domestic cups, we invested heavily with the young players and you see how John Stones, Ross Barkley and Gerard Deulofeu, Romelu Lukaku.

“And you only have treasured memories of Goodison Park...the fans and we had great times.

“For me it has always been unfinished business. I always felt the plan that we had in place... maybe needed another three or four years.

“Maybe our plan was a little bit different. It was trying to get silverware and then build on that success rather than to compete in an impossible way to finish in the top four with the different demands.
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Rimčiau kalbant, kaip vieną iš nedaugelio galimai neblogų variantų jau senokai esam minėję Marcelino.
Dabar Marijos radijas skelbia, kad Brandsas su juo tipo apie kažką kalbasi prie kavos ir spurgų.



Tiesa abejoju ar Evertonui tokia sistema tiktų, bet jei žmogus nedurnas, gali prisitaikyt.
Gal [mention]The_Red_Army[/mention] turi nuomonę apie Marcelino?
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